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    My nice is currently studying medicine in Russia (3rd trimester/2nd Year).
    She has an opportunity to immigrate in the USA. But she is sort of very uncertain, what ist the better way, keep studying and get her diploma in Russia and then go to the States(this opportunity exsists anyway) or drop out of the medical scholl right now and try her fortune in the States.
    I'd say her current english definetely need some improvement, she wouldn't be able to start styding immediately. Leaving aside the fact, she must be supported financialy( Styding fees. How much? )
    I woud appreciate very much any sentiment to this issue.
    Replies in russian also very much welcome

  • #2
    Originally posted by celona View Post
    My nice is currently studying medicine in Russia (3rd trimester/2nd Year).
    She has an opportunity to immigrate in the USA. But she is sort of very uncertain, what ist the better way, keep studying and get her diploma in Russia and then go to the States(this opportunity exsists anyway) or drop out of the medical scholl right now and try her fortune in the States.
    I'd say her current english definetely need some improvement, she wouldn't be able to start styding immediately. Leaving aside the fact, she must be supported financialy( Styding fees. How much? )
    I woud appreciate very much any sentiment to this issue.
    Replies in russian also very much welcome
    Hi, foreign MD diploma will always be second-class in the US, no matter how good you are, and USMLE process is lengthy, complicated, expensive; but educational expenses are MUCH less in Russia (like $6K/yr, if I'm not mistaken ?). Pour in some personal obstacles (language, culture, family, etc.) and you get it right what to do. I can't stress enough the importance of character! luck and opportunities are elusive... I would not send my kid to study medicine outside the US *from the US, although there are many people who do that. MCAT is a challenging exam that is required for medical school application. Check it out and see, maybe it will be better/easier for you to study in the US given you've got a solid sponsor!

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    • #3
      К 2023 году--- "Medical School Accreditation Requirement for ECFMG Certification :ECFMG® has announced that, effective in 2023, physicians applying for ECFMG Certification will be required to graduate from a medical school that has been appropriately accredited.To satisfy this requirement, the physician’s medical school must be accredited through a formal process that uses criteria comparable to those established for U.S. medical schools by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) or that uses other globally accepted criteria, such as those put forth by the World Federation for Medical Education (WFME).

      Важно знать в какой школе в России она учиться, и есть сейчас и будет ли разрешение на сдачу экзаменов. Идеально уже начинать говиться к первому экзамену-- Step 1 Basic Science- Genetics, Biochemistry, Anatomy,Microbiology, Physiology и др.. Нужны учебники/review books на английском языке.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by plotsk View Post
        К 2023 году--- "Medical School Accreditation Requirement for ECFMG Certification :ECFMG® has announced that, effective in 2023, physicians applying for ECFMG Certification will be required to graduate from a medical school that has been appropriately accredited.To satisfy this requirement, the physician’s medical school must be accredited through a formal process that uses criteria comparable to those established for U.S. medical schools by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) or that uses other globally accepted criteria, such as those put forth by the World Federation for Medical Education (WFME).

        Важно знать в какой школе в России она учиться, и есть сейчас и будет ли разрешение на сдачу экзаменов. Идеально уже начинать говиться к первому экзамену-- Step 1 Basic Science- Genetics, Biochemistry, Anatomy,Microbiology, Physiology и др.. Нужны учебники/review books на английском языке.
        USMLE exam costs are the same all over the world (maybe some additional sitting fees for non-US), but studying materials could be also less expensive in Russia (magically, people get lectures/notes, etc. for free or with minimum payment ; the hardest part is to stay motivated "through the storms" and move forward little by little...

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        • #5
          Oгромное спасибо всем за бысрую реакцию, решение принять не просто.

          Племянница учится во 2-м меде в Москве на бюджетном потоке, т.е. образование практически бесплатное.

          Почитав по форуму, вижу, что каждый вариант имеет преимущества и недостатки.

          Ещё один вопрос, если всё же идти по пути USMLE,можно ли например с 3-4 курса в летние каникулы делать "unsalaried medical clerckship/medical attachment" в клиниках USA и таким образом заводить контакты (не знаю важно это или нет, у неё уже есть green card).

          Может быть у кого-либо есть такой опыт.
          Спасибо

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          • #6
            My magic is Amazon and ebay. You can get there any textbooks and e-books. This is truly magic for entire world!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by plotsk View Post
              My magic is Amazon and ebay. You can get there any textbooks and e-books. This is truly magic for entire world!
              I primarily meant illegal copies of Kaplan lecturezzzz magic's everywhere!

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              • #8
                Though the path is tough, many IMGs have successfully realized themselves in US medicine; therefore, a robust knowledge base exists for newcomers, including useful resources like the ECFMG website and ECFMG's ECHO resource. In contrast, much fewer people have the experience of transferring from a Russian medical school to a US one; consequently, if your niece were to choose this route, she would be largely on her own, with significantly less people being able to help. Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason. It trust your niece will take less than 11 years to find a residency spot, so the 2023 criteria will hopefully not be applicable.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lev Korovin View Post
                  Though the path is tough, many IMGs have successfully realized themselves in US medicine; therefore, a robust knowledge base exists for newcomers, including useful resources like the ECFMG website and ECFMG's ECHO resource. In contrast, much fewer people have the experience of transferring from a Russian medical school to a US one; consequently, if your niece were to choose this route, she would be largely on her own, with significantly less people being able to help. Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason. It trust your niece will take less than 11 years to find a residency spot, so the 2023 criteria will hopefully not be applicable.
                  there is no transfer per se, period; you either finish med school in Russia and take exams, go through residency as an IMG or finish at least basic science courses in Russia and get into med school here (2 types: allopathic and osteopathic medicine) - the difference is in the degree's name (MD and DO, respectively), however with Obamacare in action, they project more emphasis on osteopathic...

                  Question: What's the Difference Between Allopathic and Osteopathic Medicine?
                  Answer: There are two basic types of medical training: allopathic and osteopathic. The traditional medical degree, the MD, requires training in allopathic medicine. Osteopathic medical schools award the DO degree. Both attend medical school and receive substantial training (4 years, not including residency). Training
                  The curricula of both schools are similar. State licensing agencies and most hospitals and residency programs recognize the degrees as equivalent. In other words, ostepathic doctors are legally and professionally equlivalent to allopathic doctors. The important difference between the two types of schools of training is that osteopathic medical schools take a holistic perspective on practice of medicine based on a belief in treating the "whole patient" (mind-body-spirit) and the primacy of the musculoskeletal system in human health and the utility of osteopathic manipulative treatment. DO's emphasize prevention, a historical distinction which is less relevant as all of medicine increasingly emphasizes prevention.
                  Admissions
                  There are fewer DO programs than MD programs with about 20% of medical students entering DO programs each year. As compared with traditional medical school, osteopathic medical schools have a reputation for looking at the applicant, not just his or her statistics, and therefore likely to admit nontraditional applicants who are older, non-science majors, or seeking a second career. The average GPA and MCAT scores for incoming students are slightly lower in osteopathic programs, but the difference is rapidly falling. The average age of entering osteopathic students is about 26 years (vs. allopathic medical school's 24). Both require an undergraduate degree and basic science coursework before applying.
                  The main disadvantage of choosing osteopathic medicine is that that you may find yourself educating patients and colleagues about your degree and credentials (i.e., that a DO is the equivalent of an MD)

                  Source: http://gradschool.about.com/od/medic.../osteoallo.htm

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                  • #10
                    спасибо всем за информацию

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lev Korovin View Post
                      Though the path is tough, many IMGs have successfully realized themselves in US medicine; therefore, a robust knowledge base exists for newcomers, including useful resources like the ECFMG website and ECFMG's ECHO resource. In contrast, much fewer people have the experience of transferring from a Russian medical school to a US one; consequently, if your niece were to choose this route, she would be largely on her own, with significantly less people being able to help. Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason. It trust your niece will take less than 11 years to find a residency spot, so the 2023 criteria will hopefully not be applicable.
                      not to discourage anybody, but I didn't know that during last 10 years (2000-2010) US medical school enrollment has increased 14% for MD and ~80% (!) for DO degrees, more can be found here from AAMC (link below), including state data, IMG data, females, etc. An interesting part was that agewise <20% are under 40 and 20-30% of all active physicians are above 60 y.o, so the main work force is 40-60 y.o (2011 data):

                      https://www.aamc.org/download/263512...tedata2011.pdf

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by celona View Post
                        She has an opportunity to immigrate in the USA. But she is sort of very uncertain, what ist the better way, keep studying and get her diploma in Russia and then go to the States(this opportunity exsists anyway) or drop out of the medical scholl right now and try her fortune in the States.
                        У меня была похожая дилемма. Я уехала в США, сдала TOEFL, перевела мои мед предметы в обычный колледж в США, доучилась 2 года на бакалавра, сдала MCAT (not easy at all), поступила в американскую мед школу и получила долглжданный MD degree. Ни разу не пожалела, что так сделала. У меня теперь долгов много правда, но зарплаты у врачей здесь приличные. Язык конечно нужно учить - лучше всего в US колледже (быстрее будет) - нужно не бояться и брать побольше языковых классов (English writing особенно - здесь очень много нужно писать при поступлении в мед школу, в резидентуру).

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                        • #13
                          bude

                          Добрый день! Меня зовут Александр. хотелось бы уточнить несколько вопросов, касающихся поступления в медицинскую школу.

                          У меня следующая ситуация. Я закончил 5 полных курсов Белорусского государственного медицинского университета (лечебный факультет) и перевел оценки и часы предметов в американскую систему. В организации где занималась переводом моих бумаг, сказали что у меня часов более чем достаточно, для присвоения степени бакалавра в США (150 kreditov) и я могу пробовать поступать в магистратуру.

                          Но я бы хотел стать врачом и продолжить обучение в медицинской школе США. Посоветуйте пожалуйста, на сколько возможно поступить, что нужно сделать для поступления, и можно ли в моем случае обойтись без пре-медицинской школы?

                          Имеет ли смысл пробовать поступать в медицинские университеты на Карибах? на сколько сложно потом получить место в резидентуре?

                          Спасибо, за Ваше время и внимание к моему письму.

                          П.С.
                          Я постоянный резидент США.

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