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    Hello to everybody! I have a question. What can be counted as USCE? MD from postsoviet worked as Dentist Assistant. Will it help on residency interview? RN experience? Will it help if it in your CV? If you, for example graduated with MSN from us college, can it be in your benefits on residency interview? Thank you for your response!

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    Davaite ya vyskazhu svoe mnenie, na istinu ne pretenduyu, potomu, kak dumayu, nikto Vam konkretno ne skazhet, chto 100% pomozhet. Moi nablyudeniya po sezonu interview v Internal Medicine.

    USCE stal coined terminom, kotorym polzuyutsya vse, nachinaya ot applikantov i zakanchivaya companiyami, kotorye absolyutno legalno Vam hotyat prodat' etot USCE (biznes, nichego lichnogo). Eto sobiratelnyi termin, vklyuchayuschii v sebya i observerships, i externships, i vsyakie rotations, etc. Voprosy, na moi vzglyad, voznikayut, potomu chto my nachinaem iskat' etot USCE do togo, kak vidim sam application.

    USCE viden v 2 mestah: LOR i experience tab v application. Experience vklyuchaet: work (rabota za den'gi i klinicheskii opyt za educational credit) i volunteer experiences (externships ne za credit, observerships, rotations, etc - slovom vse, chto Vam prodadut). Vash MSN degree poidet v tab Education, kak other degrees.

    Dumayu, chto dental assistant ne pomozhet nikak, prosto rabota. No moe mnenie takovo, chto esli u Vas est' vozmozhnost' rabotat', to luchshe rabotat', chtoby ne teryat' potencialnyi income. A k ko vsemu ostalnomu podhodit' s voprosom :tam est' programma po interesuyuschei menya specialnosti ili net? Observ/rotation/whatever v takih mestah = audition. Eto lichno moe mnenie.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by aprys View Post
      Davaite ya vyskazhu svoe mnenie, na istinu ne pretenduyu, potomu, kak dumayu, nikto Vam konkretno ne skazhet, chto 100% pomozhet. Moi nablyudeniya po sezonu interview v Internal Medicine.

      USCE stal coined terminom, kotorym polzuyutsya vse, nachinaya ot applikantov i zakanchivaya companiyami, kotorye absolyutno legalno Vam hotyat prodat' etot USCE (biznes, nichego lichnogo). Eto sobiratelnyi termin, vklyuchayuschii v sebya i observerships, i externships, i vsyakie rotations, etc. Voprosy, na moi vzglyad, voznikayut, potomu chto my nachinaem iskat' etot USCE do togo, kak vidim sam application.

      USCE viden v 2 mestah: LOR i experience tab v application. Experience vklyuchaet: work (rabota za den'gi i klinicheskii opyt za educational credit) i volunteer experiences (externships ne za credit, observerships, rotations, etc - slovom vse, chto Vam prodadut). Vash MSN degree poidet v tab Education, kak other degrees.

      Dumayu, chto dental assistant ne pomozhet nikak, prosto rabota. No moe mnenie takovo, chto esli u Vas est' vozmozhnost' rabotat', to luchshe rabotat', chtoby ne teryat' potencialnyi income. A k ko vsemu ostalnomu podhodit' s voprosom :tam est' programma po interesuyuschei menya specialnosti ili net? Observ/rotation/whatever v takih mestah = audition. Eto lichno moe mnenie.
      Spasibo za obshirniy otvet aprys! Ono navernoe tak I est'. Delo v tom chto hotelos bu v bolee vugodnom svete predstat pered buduschim interview. Est nezakonchenaya internatura tam I gap v 8 let zdes. No rabotat prihodilos is putalsya rabotat poblize k medicine. Ranshe chital chto kto-to hotel poluchit medical assistant certificate to get American clinical experience. Vot I vopros naprosilsya-a budet li eto schitatsya takim? Odno delo observerships, hotya I oni ne vezde uchitivayutsa. Tak chto pridetsa pokupat....

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      • #4
        Only direct patient contact where you work as practitioner or student on clinical rotations considered CE, observerships, work as medical assistant etc are not considered CE as you do not perform PE, diagnose or potentially treat anyone. If you will get MSN and work as nurse practitioner it should be counted as USCE as you will see patients by yourself and doctor overseeing you is not required however each program has it's own criteria and might not count that.
        Esli naprimer programma stavit USCE 3-6 months obyazatel'no, to obyazatel'no. Esli pishut zhelatel'no i oni rassmotryat observership kak exposure to US healthcare to tuda i nado podavat', unless you will get some sort of externships with direct patient contact etc. V obshem moe mnenie takovo chto esli napisano chto USCE 3-6 monthas or whatever months mandatory, to jeto srazu chtobi otseyat' old FMGs.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pod View Post

          Spasibo za obshirniy otvet aprys! Ono navernoe tak I est'. Delo v tom chto hotelos bu v bolee vugodnom svete predstat pered buduschim interview. Est nezakonchenaya internatura tam I gap v 8 let zdes. No rabotat prihodilos is putalsya rabotat poblize k medicine. Ranshe chital chto kto-to hotel poluchit medical assistant certificate to get American clinical experience. Vot I vopros naprosilsya-a budet li eto schitatsya takim? Odno delo observerships, hotya I oni ne vezde uchitivayutsa. Tak chto pridetsa pokupat....
          K sozhaleniyu, na interview Vy vse ravno budete s etoi nezakonechennoi internaturoi i gapom v 8 let, i eto nikak ne skryt'. Esli Vy nachnete poluchat' dopolnitelnye certificaty i degrees, to dobavite k svoemu YOG, eto neizbezhno. Na moi vzglyad, net nikakoi konkretiki, chto schitaetsya USCE, a chto -net. Vse budet zaviset' ot opisaniya, kotoroe Vy napishete v application.

          Eto mif, chto bolshinstvo program hotyat experience. Po krainei mere,v Internal Medicine tolko 10-20% hotyat USCE i pishut, chto oni ne schitayut USCE (observership, research, preceptorship, etc) i ukazyvayut konkretnye sroki; ostalnye 80-90% libo ne trebuyut, libo pishut, chto posmotryat na nego polozhitelno. Pravda eto ili net? Ne znayu. Eto zhe ih minimalnye trebovaniya po suti.
          Filtraciya proishodit gorazdo ran'she, chem etot USCE viden. Zlatka prava, chto esli Vy vidite ochen' konkretnoe opisanie i sroki, to ne priglasyat.

          Rebyata na forume pisali, chto poluchali certificat prosto kakim-to obrazom cherez associaciyu na osnovanii diploma. No certificat sam po sebe ne daet USCE, a rabota medicinskim assistentom ponyatna budet kazhdomu amerikanskomu vrachu. Drugoi vopros, esli po kakim-to prichinam Vy ne mozhete rabotat'.

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          • #6
            Thank you for your time and answers! Situazia takay- v silu vseh prichin gotovitsa k stepu nachal tol'ko neskol'ko mesyazev nazad. Do etogo rabotal dentist assistant I as a RN I nemnogo mezdu etim car dealerom... no ponimaya vsyu real'nost' s residency mestami, moim gapom, vse men'shimi chanses to get into medicine as MD... dumayu o back plan. A eto get online MSN. In my state they are very good paid and can practice independently instantly after graduation. No ne mogu brosit ideu so sdachey stepov I poiskom residency. vot I dumayu vo vremya uchebu budet practicum I budet direct patient care, I esli esche vzyat psychiatry NP track, mozet eto pomozet na interview...

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            • #7
              Vot vidite, u Vas svoya istoriya, sovsem ne pohozhaya na drugie. A pochemu Vy ne hotite rabotat' RN seichas?

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              • #8
                Dear Pod, ya chego-to upustila, esli vi RN, zachem vam etot medical assistant certificate? Usroites' RN v bol'nicu, tam i MSN budte poluchit' proshe, oni hotyabi 2-3K v god oplatyat (v zavisimosti ot bol'nicy, no mnogoe sponsiruyut obuchenie). I potom skoro ot nurse practitioners budut trebovat' DNP, ne znayu kak v vashem shtate, no luchshe potoropit'sya. MSN - delo horoshee, osobenno esli nurse anesthethist zakonchite vam i residency ne nado budet.

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                • #9
                  Proshu proscheniay esli zaputal vas nemnogo. Ya prodolzayu rabotat' as RN. V samom nachale prishlos' porabotat' dental assistant. V NY ne trebovali licence- zashol v office raskazal o sebe nemnogo i menya srazu vzyali na etu poziziyu. Potom bula promezutochnaya rabota po prodazam, tak kak ya pereehal v drugoy state and needed licence to work as a dental assist. After that I got my RN and continue working as a nurse.

                  I new that medicine and nursing totally different areas of practice in us. I always saying that I am a nurse bcz if to mention that you have MD even only academically people will treat you... let say you will make some troubles for yourself. Reading this forum I found a topic in which somebody wanted to get medical assistant certificate and working on this position to get usce! That's why I started to ask if this is true... because it is not real medicine. Even nursing not good for that.

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                  • #10
                    OK, teper' ponyatno. Dazhe i ne dumaite o MA-C, eto ne immet smysla, esli Vy RN i prodolzhaete rabotat'. Lyudi, kotorye delali MA, delali eto po svoim prichinam, tam koordinalno drugie istorii.

                    U Vas zhe sovershenno drugoi sluchai. Stranno, chto Vy sami etogo ne vidite. Ya by posovetovala bystro sdavat' ekzameny i podavat'sya v Match. Dlya community program etogo opyta budet dostatochno- razvivaite networking, a university programmy po moemu ponimaniyu s opredelennym YOG i gapom vse ravno vne dostupnosti.
                    Kstati, na forume byl primer devuski, kotoraya ochen' bystro sdala steps i rabotala med sestroi i smatchilas. Ya vot seichas ne pomnyu ee imya tochno, Polana ili chto-to v etom rode, poischite.

                    P.S. Voobsche, ne stoit tratit' vremya na certificaty raznogo tolka, Vy vse ravno ne budete podavat'sya, poka ne budut sdany step1, step2 i CS. Poka Vy tyanete vremya, razbrasyvayas' na "polnocennyi USCE", Vy dobavlyaete k svoemu YOG, a eto vsegda ploho. Luchshe byt' svezhim so srednimi scorami, chem "old" s vysokomi. V korzine otfiltrovannyh talanty ne ischut. IMHO.
                    Last edited by aprys; 03-06-2015, 12:09 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Ogromnoe spasibo aprys i zlatka81 za vashi otvetu! Priyatno kogda est otklik. Ya vam zelayu uspehov na vashem puti. Sam budu smotret po situazii... spasibo.

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